The New York Times
Update: Brad DeLong
makes my point with graphs.
Their letter is
here.
This could go on forever, and both they and I have other things to
do. So let me just state — clearly, I hope — where their analytical sin
lies.
To some extent it lies in the downplaying of causality issues — of
whether high debt causes slow growth, slow growth causes high debt, or
both high debt and slow growth are the result of third factors (as was
the case in demobilizing postwar America, which they highlighted in
their original paper).
But the more important sin involves the misuse of the “90 percent” criterion.
There is, as everyone in this debate has acknowledged, a negative
correlation in the data between debt and growth. As a result, draw a
line at any point — 80 percent, 90 percent, whatever — and countries
with debt above that level will tend to have slower growth than
countries with debt below that level.
There is, however, an enormous difference between the statement
“countries with debt over 90 percent of GDP tend to have slower growth
than countries with debt below 90 percent of GDP” and the statement
“growth drops off sharply when debt exceeds 90 percent of GDP”. The
former statement is true; the latter isn’t. Yet R&R have repeatedly
blurred that distinction, and have continued to do so in recent
writings.
And for a country with debt in the vicinity of the 90 percent level —
as, for example, in both the US and the UK — the distinction is
crucial. It’s the difference between arguing that failure to impose an
austerity program amounting to a few percent of GDP might reduce GDP a
decade from now by a fraction of a percent at most — which is what the
actual correlation suggests — to suggesting that it will reduce future
GDP by 10 percent, which is what the threshold claim suggests.
Austerity-minded policy makers, of course, seized on the latter
claim, citing R&R — and if the authors ever made an effort to
correct this misconception, or indeed if they have ever even
acknowledged that it’s a misconception, it was done very quietly.
I’m sorry, but the failure to clear up this misconception has done a
great deal of harm — and this harm is not significantly mitigated by
various remarks in passing to the effect that austerity might be
overdone.
La lettera della Reinhart
Dear Paul:
Back in the late 1980s, you helped shape the concept of an emerging market
debt overhang.
The financial crisis has laid bare the fact that the dividing line
between emerging markets and advanced countries is not as crisp as once
thought. Indeed, this is a recurring theme of our 2009 book,
This Time is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly.
Today, the growth bind of advanced countries in the periphery of the
eurozone has a great deal in common with that of emerging market
economies of the 1980s.
We admire your past scholarly work, which influences us to this day.
So it has been with deep disappointment that we have experienced your
spectacularly uncivil behavior the past few weeks. You have attacked us
in very personal terms, virtually non-stop, in your
New York Times column and blog posts. Now you have doubled down in the
New York Review of Books,
adding the accusation we didn't share our data. Your characterization
of our work and of our policy impact is selective and shallow. It is
deeply misleading about where we stand on the issues. And we would
respectfully submit, your logic and evidence on the policy substance is
not nearly as compelling as
you imply.
You particularly take aim at our 2010 paper on the long-term secular
association between high debt and slow growth. That you disagree with
our interpretation of the results is your prerogative. Your thoroughly
ignoring the subsequent literature, however, including the International
Monetary Fund's work as well as our own deeper and more
complete 2012 paper
with Vincent Reinhart, is troubling. Perhaps, acknowledging the
updated literature-not to mention decades of theoretical, empirical, and
historical contributions on drawbacks to high debt-would inconveniently
undermine your attempt to make us a scapegoat for austerity. You write
"
Indeed, Reinhart-Rogoff may have had more immediate influence on
public debate than any previous paper in the history of economics."
Setting aside this wild hyperbole, you never seem to mention our
other line of work that has surely been far more influential when it
comes to responding to the financial crisis. Specifically, our 2009
book (released before our growth and debt work) showed that recoveries
from deep systemic financial crises are long, slow and painful. This
was not the common wisdom at all before us,
as you yourself have acknowledged
on more than one occasion. Over the course of the crisis, and
certainly by 2010, policymakers around the world were using our
research, alongside their assessments, to help justify sustained
macroeconomic easing of both monetary and fiscal policy fronts.
Your desire to blame our later 2010 paper for the stances of some
politicians fails to recognize a basic reality: We were out there
endorsing very different policies. Anyone with experience in these
matters knows that politicians may float a citation to an academic paper
if it suits their purposes. But there are limits to how much policy
traction they can get with this device when the paper's authors are out
offering very different policy conclusions. You can refer to the
appendix to this letter for our views on policy through the financial
crisis as they were stated publicly in real time. We were not silent.
Very senior former policy makers, observing the attacks of the past
few weeks, have forcefully explained that real-time policies are very
seldom driven to any significant extent by a single academic paper or
result.
It is worth noting that in the past, polemicists have often pinned
the austerity charge on the International Monetary Fund for its work
with countries having temporary or permanent debt sustainability
issues. Since its origins after World War II, IMF programs have almost
always involved some combination of austerity, debt restructurings, and
structural reform. When a country that has been running large deficits
is suddenly no longer able to borrow new funds, some measure of
adjustment is invariably required, and one of the IMF's usual roles has
been to serve as a lightning rod. Even before the IMF existed, long
periods of autarky and hardship accompanied debt crises.
Now let us turn to the substance. The events of the past few weeks do not change basic facts and fundamentals.
Some Fundamentals on Debt
First, the advanced economies now have levels of debt that
surpass most if not all historic episodes. It is public debt and private
debt (which often becomes public as a crisis unfolds). Significant
shares of these debts are held by foreigners in most cases, with the
notable exception of Japan. In Europe, where the (public and private)
external debt exposures loom largest, financial de-globalization is well
underway. Debt financing has become an increasingly domestic business
and a difficult one when the pool of domestic saving is limited.
As for the United States: our only short-lived high-debt episode
involved WWII debts, which were held by domestic residents, not fickle
international investors or central banks in China and elsewhere around
the globe. This observation is not meant to suggest "a scare" in the
offing, with bond vigilantes driving a concerted sell-off of Treasuries
by the rest of the world and a dramatic spike US in interest rates.
Carmen's work on financial repression suggests a different scenario. But
many emerging markets have stepped into bubble-like territory and we
have seen this movie before. We should not take for granted their
prosperity that makes possible their continuing large-scale purchases of
US debt. Reversals are possible. Sensible risk management means
planning for these and other contingencies that might disturb today's
low global interest rate environment.
Second, on debt and growth. The Herndon, Ash and Pollin
paper, using a different methodology, reinforces our core result that
high levels of debt are associated with lower growth. This fact has
been hidden in the tabloid media and blogosphere discourse, but this
point is made plain by even a cursory look at the full set of results
reported in the very paper they critique. More importantly, the result
was prominently featured in our
2012 Journal of Economic Perspectives
paper with Vincent Reinhart on Debt Overhangs, which they do not cite.
The main point of our 2012 paper is that while the difference in annual
GDP growth between high and lower debt cases is about one percent a
year, debt overhang episodes last on average 23 years. Thus, the
cumulative effect on income levels over time is significant.
Third, the debate of the last few weeks does not change the
fact that debt levels above 90% (even if one entirely rejects this
marker for gross central government debt as a common cross-country
"threshold") are very rare altogether and even rarer in peacetime. From
1955 until right before the recent crisis, advanced economies spent
less than 10% of those years at a debt/GDP ratio of higher than 90%;
only about two percent of the years are above 120% debt/GDP. If
governments thought high debt was a riskless proposition, why did they
avoid it so consistently?
Debt and Growth Causality
Your recent April 29, 2013
NY Times blog
The Italian Miracle
is meant to highlight how in high-debt Italy, interest rates have come
down since the European Central Bank's well-placed efforts to act more
as a lender of last resort to periphery countries. No disagreement
there. However, this positive development is meant to re-enforce your
strongly held view that high debt is not a problem (even for Italy) and
that causality runs exclusively from slow growth to debt. You do not
mention that in this miracle economy, GDP fell by more than 2 percent in
2012 and is expected to fall by a similar amount this year. Elsewhere
you have stated that you are sure that Italy's long-term secular
growth/debt problems, which date back to the 1990s, are purely a case of
slow growth causing high debt. This claim is highly debatable.
Indeed, your repeatedly-expressed view that slow growth causes high
debt but not visa-versa, is hardly supported by the recent literature on
the subject. Of course, as we have already noted, this work has been
singularly ignored in the public discourse of the past few weeks. The
best and worst that can be said is that the results are mixed. A number
of studies looking at more comprehensive growth models have found
significant effects of debt on growth. We made this point in the
appendix to our New York Times
piece. Of course, it is well known that the economic cycle impacts
government finances and therefore debt (causation from growth to debt).
Cyclically adjusted budgets have been around for decades, your shallow
characterization of the growth-debt connection.
As for ways debt might affect growth, there is debt with drama and debt without drama.
Debt with drama. Do you really think that a
country that is suddenly unable to borrow from international capital
markets because its public and/or private debts that are a contingent
public liability are deemed unsustainable will not suffer lower growth
and higher unemployment as a consequence? With governments and banks
shut out from international capital markets, credit to firms and
households in periphery Europe remains paralyzed. This credit crunch has
a crippling effect on growth and employment with or without austerity.
Fiscal austerity reinforces the procyclicality of the external and
domestic credit crunch. This pattern is not unique to this episode.
Policy response to debt with drama. On the
policy response to this sad state of affairs, we stress that restoring
the credit channel is essential for sustained growth, and this is why
there is a need to write off senior bank debt in many countries.
Furthermore, there is no reason why the ECB should buy only sovereign
debt-purchases of senior bank debt along the lines of the US Federal
Reserve's purchases of mortgage-backed securities would be instrumental
in rekindling credit and working capital for firms. We don't see your
attraction to fiscal largesse as a substitute. Periphery Europe cannot
afford it and for Germany, which can afford it, fiscal expansion would
be procyclical. Any overheating in Germany would exert pressure on the
ECB to maintain a tighter monetary policy, backtracking some of the
progress made by Mario Draghi. A better use of Germany's balance sheet
strength would be to agree on faster and bigger haircuts for the
periphery, and to support significantly more expansionary monetary
policy by the ECB.
Debt without drama. There are other cases,
like the US today or Japan since the mid-1990s, where there is debt
without drama. The plain fact that we know less about these episodes is
a point we already made in our
New York Times piece. We pointedly do not include the historical episodes of 19
th
century UK and Netherlands among these puzzling cases. Those imperial
debts were importantly financed by massive resource transfers from the
colonies. They had "good" high-debt centuries because their colonies did
not. We offer a number of ideas in our 2012 paper for why debt
overhang might matter even when there is no imminent collapse of
borrowing capacity.
Bad shocks do happen. What is the foundation for your certainty that
as peacetime debt hits new records in coming years, the United States
will be able to engage in forceful countercyclical fiscal policy if hit
by a large unexpected shock? Furthermore, do you really want to find
out the answer to that question the hard way?
The United Kingdom, which does not issue a reserve currency, is more
dependent on its financial sector and suffered a bigger banking bust,
has not had the same shale gas revolution, and is more vulnerable to
Europe, is clearly more exposed to the drama scenario than the US. And
yet you regularly assert that the situations in the US and UK are the
same and that both countries have the costless option of engaging in an
open-ended fiscal expansion. Of course, this does not preclude
high-return infrastructure investments, making use of the public balance
sheet directly or indirectly through public-private partnerships.
Policy response to debt without drama. Let
us be clear, we have addressed the role of somewhat higher inflation
and financial repression in debt reduction in our research and in
numerous pieces of commentary. As our appendix shows, we did not
advocate austerity in the immediate wake of the crisis when recovery was
frail. But the subprime crisis began in the summer of 2007, now six
years ago. Waiting
10 to 15 more years
to deal with a festering problem is an invitation for decay, if not
necessarily an outright debt crisis. The end may not come with a bang
but with a whimper.
Scholarship: Stick to the facts
The accusation in the
New York Review of Books is a sloppy
neglect on your part to check the facts before charging us with a
serious academic ethical infraction. You had already implicitly
endorsed this from your perch at the
New York Times by posting a
link to a program that treated the misstatement as fact.
Fortunately, the "Wayback Machine" crawls the Internet and
periodically makes wholesale copies of web pages. The debt/GDP database
was first archived in
October 2010 from Carmen's University of Maryland webpage. The data migrated to
ReinhartandRogoff.com
in March 2011. There it sits with our other data, on inflation, crises
dates, and exchange rates. These data are regularly sought and found
for those doing research who care to look. The greater disclosure of
debt data from official institutions is testament to this. The IMF
began to construct historical public debt data only after we had
provided a roadmap in the list of our detailed references in a 2009 book
(and before that in a
2008 working paper) that explained how we had unearthed the data.
Our interaction with scholars and practitioners working on real world
questions in our field is ongoing, and our doors remain open. So to
accuse us of not sharing our data is an unfounded attack on our academic
and personal integrity.